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During the z-paw, weapons will no doubt be a valuable, in-demand commodity.
Say you are in a group of prepared survivors and you have come across others who were not as prepared but were lucky enough to survive. For the sake of argument, your group is about 8 strong and very self sufficient as it is with a fortified base with a garden, a setup to purify and us more than enough water, ovens and stove powerd by that renewable resource wood, even solar power, and weapons with plenty of ammo. Some would argue that you're already setup and should not bother with other people, but rather than become hermits you've decided to expand your number, thereby further spreading out the work load to better your quality of life for yourselves and other people among other advantages. But most prepared people have taken the same path as you and will not be showing up to join someone else's group. So you will be taking in unprepared people; not useless or anything as they deffinately seem to be good, able people who just didn't prepare like you did for whatever reason. You could upgrade from your little collecton of rabbits and the 2 goats you have as livestock to some chickens, maybe even start using horses if you add some able bodied workers to your farm, maybe one of the survivors has a specialized skill that would come in handy for everyone. (if you meet an experienced surgeon or paramedic who happens to have never held a weapon before, would you turn him or her away?)
But I digress, I am posting this to throw around some ideas of how to arm people who may have never been armed before.
I would love to be more generous to someone than to just throw them a sharp stick and say go get em, but at the same time when you are talking about someone who may have never held a weapon before I would not give them something like an AR right off the bat. Not only does such a weapon require more knowledge to use but ammo would be beyond valuable, and in the hands of someone with no training they could burn through 30 precious rounds in 20 seconds or less without hitting a thing, let alone a zombie head.
For this exact reason I would most likely rule out semi-autos as a first gun for new recruits.
Older, cheaper manually operated guns are what I would be more likely to hand to the newb on the team. Keep in mind that when I would likely not put a complete newb into front line zombat unless it is absolutely neccesary, but would rather have them start out on rear duties in most cases, such as ferrying supplies to the front line. I would deffinately want them to be armed in this situation though, because it is quite likely that they would have to take a few shots, plus it's great training.
Instead of an expensive semi auto pistol (lets say an FNP-9) that could burn through 16 rounds before and put in 16 more before you can say "zombies up ahead!", I may give them an old revolver. I don't know about duing todays gun panic but fairly recently I have seen S&W Model 10 revolvers for $100. That price would be for a very used one with holster wear and scratches, but very capable nonetheless. Not to mention the regular pressure .38 special rounds it takes are fairly cheap too.

There are many other old .38s in the same price range as the Model 10 but that's the one that comes to mind anyway. Reason I suggest this over a fancy semi-auto is that for one they are much simpler in just about every way. No magazine to drop and lose, the cylinder is attatched. Cleaning is just about self explanatory, and it takes about a minute to show someone how to work a revolver. And the problem of burning through ammo solves itself, when the person has to reload the 6 shots one by one they will become much more careful about their shooting.
Another option would be the shotgun. Most shotguns, with the exception of fancy semi-autos will be extremely simple to learn anyway. A pump shotgun, again easy to use and like the revolver, hard to burn through too much ammo too quickly. Most pump shotguns are pretty cheap, aside from super fancy sporting models and super ultra tactic00l models with all the latest rail mounts and stuff. Mossbergs and Remingtons among others can be had for well under $300 brand new. You can get used ones for much cheaper, and even really old pump guns are as good as new ones in most cases.

An even cheaper option would be a single shot or double barrel. Doubles these days are usually expensive sporting guns but you can find some old utilitarian ones for under $150 easily. And single shot shotguns on the used market can be easily found for less then $60. And for those induviduals who have a hard time with 12 gauge recoil there are many smaller but still powerful and easily found shotgun loads out there such as 20 gauge and .410, the latter of which just about anyone could shoot. It doesn't get any simpler than a break barrel shotgun, for ease of use, cleaning, everything.

And last but certainly not least on my list are rifles. Surplus bolt actions would be the first thing I would hand out when it comes to rifles. The first thing that comes to mind is the Mosin-Nagant. These can be had for $100 or less, and surplus ammo is still very available and much cheaper than most other centerfire cartridges these days. Being a 5 shot bolt action it will also make your newb careful about his or her shots. And you can reload it pretty quickly from stripper clips.

This weapon is extremely durable and easy to work. It was designed with the uneducated pheasant with little or no experience with weapons to pick up and use easily, and I don't doubt that it could still serve that purpose. While a newb won't be making any 300 yard+ headshots with this or any weapon they could probably do it at under 60 yards with a few minutes practice. Longer range Rifle shooting is a big skill to master, until then the Mosin has a hell of a bayonet!
So anyway, that's what I could think of for now. Any other ideas? Thoughts? Criticizm?
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And as far as bladed weapons go I wasn't really trying to disprove that they would be good weapons for the beginner to hold, just that as expesive as good swords are I would prefer to give them to someone who really knows how to make use of them. Not that I would give out a gun without a saftey lecture, but anyway...
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
I still like the Spear, Sticks, and Polearm ideas. I also really like the Field expedient Bow and Arrow.
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How old were you when you shot it? I ask because I remember having trouble with the 12 gauge when I was much younger but as I got older, 13 or so, I had no problem at all and did pretty well with clay pigeons. And I must mention that at that age I was the archetypical 90 pound weakling...I learned fast that you can really cut down on felt recoil by using a proper stance and holding the butt of the gun tightly against the shoulder.
Of the guns on my list I admit that the Mosin and most 12 gauge shotguns would have a bit of a learning curve for the beginer. I would probably not give these to smaller people but most grownups could handle them. The .38 has almost no recoil though, anyone could shoot that. Same with a .410, And for all shoulder weapons, you'd be suprised how much a recoil pad on the buttstock helps out. I think that with a regular powered load, maybe a slightly smaller shot size like #2 or #4 and a good pad most people could handle at least a 20 gauge with not a whole lot of hangups.
I had a similar experience to dloed's with my 20 gauge shotgun the first time I shot it. A regular birdshot load, it was very painful and I didn't really want to shoot it again for a while. The rest of the day I ended up shooting it off-hand style as the recoil was extremely painful. I actually got pretty accurate shooting that way. I was 19 years old, 125 lbs at the time. I shouldered the gun correctly and it still hurt a lot. I think some people are more recoil sensitive than others. Even after I got used to the recoil of the 20 gauge the first time I shot my Mosin 91/30 rifle it was extremely painful again. I do no thing they are "beginner" guns. My opinion is to give totally inexperienced people .22LR rifles, the bolt or lever action type so while maintaining the ability to rapid fire, they're still need to carefully place their shots. Anyone given a .22 rifle would be able to hit their target easily. Its the prefect rifle or carbine for the inexperienced shooter.
I imagine if I was given a mosin rifle to defend myself from zombies and never had any shooting experience beforehand not only could I not shoot accurately, the pain for the first shot would make me unable to shoulder the rifle again for some time. Any other high-recoiling weapon would be the same. Even right now I still don't like higher recoiling guns like the 20 gauge shotgun, mosin nagant, and the .500S&W rifle.
This would be the base of my idea.
While I wouldn't want to only hand out sharp stick and such to people who have never used a weapon, but the scarcity of ammo would make me wary of giving someone who had never fired a gun before one. Regardless of how easy the gun is to use they're still likely to need to be taught to aim properly and such which wastes precious ammo.
Using a bow to teach people how to aim and fire would work well in my opinion, arrows would either be retrievable or something that could be made from not much more than wood. After they've shown that they can aim and hit with the bow then giving them a gun seems like a better idea.
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not a bad idea. I know a lot of people dont like the hi-point weapons but they are very cheap and they work. I have a 9mm carbine that is easy to teach someone how use and it only has ten round mags so if you only give them one mag and make em reload the mag every time the people will learn to choose their shots. I think I picked that weapon up for only $190 so they are pretty inexpensive.
Carpe Noctem

I think honestly, this forum is overlooking simplicity, you do not need any training for swinging a machete, and we live in a period where a pistol or even a rifle are as simple to operate as a disposable camera, just point and click. At the very most, one could pick up a gun, and fire it, and later be shown by a member of the group how to reload, and prime the weapon. We are not saying that the person in question would be picking up a Patriot Missile System and trying to fire that at a zombie....
so with your point and click policy your handing out shotguns
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Carpe Noctem

so with your point and click policy your handing out shotguns
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This goes for all firearms, 90% of the free world has seen a gun, and knows that this end points towards the bad guy, pull this thing back with my finger, and with a little luck, down goes my enemy. Shotgun, Pistol, Rifle, whatever.. I am not trying to split hairs bluewolf.
so with your point and click policy your handing out shotguns
?
This goes for all firearms, 90% of the free world has seen a gun, and knows that this end points towards the bad guy, pull this thing back with my finger, and with a little luck, down goes my enemy. Shotgun, Pistol, Rifle, whatever.. I am not trying to split hairs bluewolf.
I know your not partiall to shotguns Sarge Im just busting your chops a bit. I do understand though that shotguns might be a bit overpowered to hand out to people with no experiance though.
Carpe Noctem

This would be the base of my idea.
While I wouldn't want to only hand out sharp stick and such to people who have never used a weapon, but the scarcity of ammo would make me wary of giving someone who had never fired a gun before one. Regardless of how easy the gun is to use they're still likely to need to be taught to aim properly and such which wastes precious ammo.
Using a bow to teach people how to aim and fire would work well in my opinion, arrows would either be retrievable or something that could be made from not much more than wood. After they've shown that they can aim and hit with the bow then giving them a gun seems like a better idea.
That would work, if aiming a bow was anything like aiming a gun!
Yes, ammo is scarce but you should have plenty on hand. Using a little bit of it to teach a new friend how to use a gun to defend your base is NOT a waste.
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