| Had I been a mod I would have zombified the last one and put it in worst posts as a perfect example of pure and total mis-communication.
MY STANCE ON H2H:
While by no means SAFE to due H2H with a zombie, as a last resort and in dire circumstances it can do more than enough damage to kill. my original post wasn't on whether or not to do hand to hand with a zed, rather, it was about whether or not hand to hand combat could generate enough trauma to kill. which it can. there is no denying that. (Sanchez I swear to g_d if you say prove it to be a prick and make me actual find the stuff on it I may have to hunt you down and put fleas in your pants) The other post got totally off topic and onto whether or not you SHOULD do hand to hand with a zombie. which you shouldn't. because the points everyone were bringing up were quite valid. if the virus/bacteria/parasite/what ever that creates zombies is transferred through bites or scratches, it would be incredibly difficult if not impossible to successful grapple/fight a zombie without being infected. I'm only trying to stress that we should try and train for everything so that if we are caught in a situation were we are forced to go melee with out weapons with a zed the chances of our getting infected are greatly reduced.
*deep breath* ok, hopefully that cleared that up. if not nothing will.
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Run away.
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Open palm punch to the nose would work?
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You let someone else be the guinea pig first.
Watch them melee, see how much blood they get on themselves, and see what effect it has on them.
If they're coughing and looking pale just hours afterwards, even if it didn't hit any exposed skin, then you've got problems.
If it's that infectious, then we're all screwed. You can't fight melee from inside any kind of bioweapon suit. The civilian ones used by labs are delicate... they'll tear and rip in a heartbeat. The military stuff will cook you to death, and it's not much tougher. And neither of them is really designed for HTH fighting. That leaves nothing but ranged combat, and let's face it people. Ammo doesn't grow on trees. I live in a state with only 3 1/2 million people. If only 1/4 of them turn into zombies (and we all know it would be higher), that's 875,000 zombies, just in this state. I don't have quite that many bullets.
If it's that infectious, then we've got serious problems... If you're doing melee at all, it's with special polearms (with splashguards), from the top of a wall or an armored vehicle, while wearing a ton of protective gear and a gas mask (which is probably useless). And then you have to be washed down and decontaminated afterward. You'll have people fainting from heat prostration. Not fun.
But there are other possibilities that make melee combat viable. Like the disease is no longer contagious, with irreversible damage being done earlier. Or you could have been exposed earlier, when the pandemic swept the planet, and you already have antibodies. Or exposure might just make you really sick, but not turn you into a zombie. Lots of possibilities.
Some people might have higher immunity... you might end up with a small portion of the group that can actually melee with zombies, and survive. Ie, they can get blood and body fluids on them, and it doesn't make them sick. The rest get sick and die from the same level of exposure.
Hand to hand combat should be a last resort, though I made light of the subject when I posted about boosting morale, I was serious too, one could take down a zombie quite easily with a sharp upward blow to the nose. I am not 100% certain about snapping the neck, but that could be another avenue. Blood spatter is a concern, however, I do not think it would be that big of an issue, especially if most of us wear gloves as part of our protective gear anyhow. *If someone has either a link or maybe some insight to the neck snapping thought, please let me know what your thoughts are on that.
If they're slow shambling zombies, then I say trip them/push them over. Hard shove to the chest or kick their legs out. Then stomp them on the throat or back of neck. Should snap it clean. For a lot of people, boots are probably going to be most protected part of their body, and risk the least exposure.
The other alternatives involve trying to grab a zombies heads with your hands, or putting it in a choke hold. Either way is too close to their teeth for my comfort, and really doesn't sound like a good idea.
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at least no one is talking about someone being able to do this
Will you hold me back? If need be I will leave you behind...
If you mean unarmed combat, then no, it won't work.
If they're shambler or rage zombies, they're not going to notice pain much. That's 90% of most unarmed combat... While you're punching them, they bite you. Most people don't have enough strength to punch or kick hard enough to break bones, unless you're a trained martial artist. If they're in some kind of altered mental state, they may shrug off even lethal blows... Ever seen someone on PCP? I have... from about 10 feet away, I got to watch over a dozen LAPD officer beat the shit out of a guy on PCP. It was a 10 minute long fight, involving boots, maglite, batons, taser (did _nothing_), and at some point they just dogpiled on him. He stood up and shook them off like they were little kids. The guy on PCP probably weighed all of 120-130 lbs. "zombies" will probably be as strong... rage zombies in a beserk fit, delirious feverish victims, undead monstrosities, whatever form they take.
I figure, if you want to start training now, try wrestling rabid dogs. If you can kill an attack dog with your bare hands, without getting bitten or breaking the skin somewhere, then you're set for zombies.
If they're shambler or rage zombies, they're not going to notice pain much. That's 90% of most unarmed combat... While you're punching them, they bite you. Most people don't have enough strength to punch or kick hard enough to break bones, unless you're a trained martial artist. If they're in some kind of altered mental state, they may shrug off even lethal blows... Ever seen someone on PCP? I have... from about 10 feet away, I got to watch over a dozen LAPD officer beat the shit out of a guy on PCP. It was a 10 minute long fight, involving boots, maglite, batons, taser (did _nothing_), and at some point they just dogpiled on him. He stood up and shook them off like they were little kids. The guy on PCP probably weighed all of 120-130 lbs. "zombies" will probably be as strong... rage zombies in a beserk fit, delirious feverish victims, undead monstrosities, whatever form they take.
I figure, if you want to start training now, try wrestling rabid dogs. If you can kill an attack dog with your bare hands, without getting bitten or breaking the skin somewhere, then you're set for zombies.
It's about going back to your animal insticnt, martial arts don't aim to kill, well they do, but that is never taught these days unless you learn from family, you need to swallow your disgust and that kind of stuff...
Some sick stuff...this is bordering on being not usable...think about areas like the throat, stomach...
ok no I'm not going any further, it's extremly easy to kill someone if that is your intent, but I don't think it ever is. If it's out of rage, you probably just want them to feel pain...if it's life or death, you probably just want to get away... but if your a psycopath, who is out for blood, nothing to lose or a kill means living...then maybe they'll resort to more animalistic fighting techniques...
I definatly think it's possible...I'll try find a link to a case...in new zealand...a guy on the run from teh pigs...I mean Good Officiers of the Law, ripped open the chest cavity of an attack dog... he used a knife to start but still...some crazy crap...really disturbing...never made mainstream news...
Satanists, maybe we should re-unite them with Satan ???
But seriously think about it...when have you ever had the intent to kill, and to kill only with your bare hands ?
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