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This subject has probably been discussed on here already, but I haven't seen it.
I am aware that guns do help in any kind of threat, but it has come to my attention; what if you run out of ammo? You can't very well carry THAT much ammo on you, and in the event of an outbreak, who is going to manufacture that ammo for you? Unless you have been stock piling .12gauge buckshot for the last 10 years, or live at a Military Compound, chances are you're going to run VERY short on ammo VERY soon, am I right? And lets say that you have the equipment you need to make your own bullets, how much gunpowder do you have, how many shell cassings do you have, how many guns do you have to make bullets for?
I'm sure a hand grenade would come in handy on occasion, but who wants to be around when Zombie parts go flying through the air? I guess the whole point of me writing this, is that I believe guns should be reserved for extreme cases, like when an opposing group of idiots is trying to take your supplies, or you have to mow down a line of Zombies coming to eat at ya skull. Other than that I see no real use in having guns when that day happens. This being said, I suggest things like cestus, long swords, maces, kama and pretty much anything with a blade or blunt impact surface. Chain weapons...meh, throwing weapons COULD be effective, but no shuruken; it would have to be something like a throwing hammer or axe. Bow and arrow? Maybe if you have the ability to make more, or are smart (not mentioning anyone on here, but lets face it some people are dumb)/ or have time enough to get your lost arrows back. All in all I'm just saying, I'll stick with my Katana, before I use up all the bullets in my Glok.
What do you guys think?
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Then use the search function.
Your entire post talks about saving bullets, but I can almost promise you that if something is running/stumbling/lurching after you in a large group that you won't be thinking about saving your bullets but about making as many go away as you can. I mean if I have a shotgun and some form of melee weapon with me and something comes at me trying to eat my alive I'm not going to let him get close enough for me to use a melee weapon unless I have to.
It might seem like the smarter idea to conserve all your ammo, but I'd much rather use my ammo when needed and survive that much longer than die because I was to picky about when to shoot something. Although I wouldn't think anyone would want to fight with zombies anyways and would most likely just avoid them if possible.
You do realize how hard it is to decapitate a human being? Living or Dead it's not likely you're going to cleave something head of in nice clean strikes. The blade would most likely go a few inches into the neck and you'll then either have to hack more or the blade would get stuck. A couple of people have posted Warhammer/War Axe type things on here before, and I think one of those would be a much better item than a Blade. There are also hammer/axe like things which work as a survival multi-tool, which I have forgotten the name of.
Because The Muppet Show Said So.
I accept that you're new.
So I won't rant, but to save you time, you would need both firearms and melee weapons.
Agreed about the whole hacking a few inches into the neck thing and the clear shot. I was thinking more along the lines of limbs. But, then again if surrounded you would just be hacking wild at anything that came near you.
I don't recall the name of that multi tool either, but I know what you're talking about. I have used the search function and I haven't found the post, so if you could direct me, that would be great. I am eager to learn just how everyone on here views the outbreak, and how they would react. I read as much of the back posts as I can, when I can so please forgive me if my views and opinions may differ from those of the fellow members on this site. I do not mean to offend, nor do I intend to sound ignorant with my posts. I am simply trying to get an undestanding for how other people feel and prepare for this.
Further more, I agree that both a firearm(s) and melee weapon(s) would be needed. I didn't find the post that had already discussed this (I did look). So I was curious to know how you guys felt about it. I am new to the site, true. But, I am not new to the idea of a Zombie outbreak, which is why I joined this site in the first place. We (my friends and I) have been preparing for just about anything that is rumoured to happen in the future. With the exception of a nuclear blast, I think we're pretty much ready. However, getting a gun is a little difficult for us (for reasons I will not disclose). So we practice three times a week with the melee we own. We were fortunate enough to come across some guns in the aftermath of Katrina, but bullets cost money and we need to pay rent.
I won't rant anymore about the subject, but I am curious to know one thing. There are people that do not have accounts on Zombie preparedness or any other site for that matter, but yet prepare all the same for something bad that is coming down the pipeline. Would you consider them in-experienced because they didn't use the search function or have enough time to search, or by the amount of time they've been a member in a blog? No offense intended, just curious.
Symmetry is the highest form of Chaos...
Now, I in no way intend to offend with my suggestion that you're new, but I think part of this is simply your being new and I think we can forgive that. For most people who have been here for more than a few months, they will undoubtedly recall the string of "perfect weapon" posts that we were infected with for a while. Those are the topics in which this debate comes into play.
I think Slash's short answer is most appropriate to this topic: you need both.
Most often it comes down, in many debates, to a matter of expertise. You don't want to carry a weapon because you think it's the most appropriate despite your lack of experience.
Of course I will try and push my own stuff, but the article I wrote ( http://ww2.zombieinitiative.org/node/277 ) I think does a pretty good job of summarizing the consensus of a fair number of the site's members.
All that needs to be said is this: FIRE = BAD
You should have thoroughly searched the back forums before making your own, many people on here get agitated if you don't search through that dark decrepid corner that noone has looked in since the day the building was made, everyone has their flop posts but you should at least scan the forums before you make it.
You forgot to mention how much of a b**ch katanas are to maintain because you have to use a special kind of oil and junk to keep it in fighting condition. And I shall get back to argueing for the good ol' broadsword's effectiveness. the broadsword was made for dismemberment and maiming, and as long as you know how to use a wetstone correctly you should be good. Axes wouldnt work because they would be more likely to get stuck in the corpse, now a warhammer might be good, depending on your endurance.
oh it'll get you somewhere, it'll get you bait
Just get a 22. Rifle, you can buy 500 rounds of 22. ammo for about 15 dollars.....
Yes,but then you have to deal with the relativly low stopping power of the .22
I would feel safer with 7.62x39 ammo.
Its cheap,yet powerful.
Plus the highly popular SKS,and ak-47 rifles chamber it,making it easy to find a cheap rifle to shoot it with.
Now I can see where you are comming from about the whole wanting to conserve your ammo thing due to the lack in availability but how do you think that gun manufactures make ammo. The same way that the guy does in his basment. Casings would probably be the hardest part to manufacture. I think the smartest thing to do would be to manufacture something that attaches to your firearm that catches your expended shells so that they could be reused. Next to that would be your primers. This might be a little bit of a problem to manufacture in the event of Z-day. But as far as the bullets and gunpowder go they are rather easiley made and produced. In the event that you were not able to produce any kind of primer for your ammunition you could always resort to using the old black powder rifels. I know that they are archaic, but they are rather easy to maintain, operate, and are usually very powerful. Granted they generally have a long relaod time but if its all you have its all you have.
When its all said and done though I don't think that you are going to be able to survive if you reley completley on firearms anyways. What happens when your gun jams with a Zed 5ft in front of you. Your screwed because you never thought about carrying some kind of close range back up weapon.
Don't know why you included what NIE wrote. But yes, Katanas are a pain in the arse to maintain, and a broadsword is much more effective for hacking limbs.
Symmetry is the highest form of Chaos...
After all that i think you just started a new topic of 'weapon maintenence', I can't think of a weapon that has no draw-backs...
and neither can Google so i won't try.
Gun good, Melee good, Fortified and well supplied town to produce a nearly unlimited amount of gun and melee...yes please.
If it kills but is ineffecient, who cares?, aslong as you don't die and they do...and they stay died.
died zombies good.
As long as aminals dun get reviveded, thinks "Black Sheep" all over again...see link;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMyVljAP_A <- Black Sheep Movie Trailer...
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