Forget everything you know about zombies.


the_zombie_furnace Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 18:44

You can't prove any of it. "Zombies can only shamble, zombies don't breathe, zombies can smell you from a mile away...etc." None of this can be proven. It can only be speculated. You can't designate any attributes to a zombie, because as of yet, there is no such thing. There has never been one, and we won't know what one truly is until they're already plaguing our streets.
"Zombies can't run because there muscles would tear." How do you know this? Have you seen a zombie collapse on the ground because it's muscles just stopped working? If the answer is yes, then you're lying. It's as simple as that. There has never been a zombie outbreak before. Everything on this site is speculation. Which is why there is open conversation all the time, because the object is to prepare for something that has no definitive characteristics. It's not as simple as knowing everything about zombies, because there is nothing to know abot them. Nobody has ever observed the nature of a true zombie.

That being said, you can't disprove any of these opinions either. (This is a simulated arguement between two fictional zombie enthusiests)... "Zombies will most likely be the kind of zombies in 28 days later becuase dead people stay dead." 'Not true at all!' "Oh yeah, prove that it's not true!" 'Well... because zombies are reanimated corpses!' "Not true at all!" 'Prove it isn't true then!' ... they can go on all day without solving anything because there is no actual factual concrete evidence as to what a zombie will or will not be. Look up zombie facts in a medical journal. See if you find anything. No person with a medical degree or any liscensed expert will be able to tell you anything about zombies. There is no zombie expert field. Why? Because there arent any zombies yet!!!!!

What's the point? Stop using counter arguements stating that zombies are or aren't capable of doing something. For all we know, zombies shoot lazers out of their assholes. You can't disprove it! That's why no religion and no athiest can ever win an arguement: becuase nobody knows for sure. That's why you can't prove to a ghost enthusiest that ghosts are nonsense. That's why it will never be an accepted fact that zombies can't run. Something has to exist outside of fiction for anyone to know what it can or can't do. So if there's a post up and somebody states that something is plausable, don't disreguard it as fallacy. To this point in time, everything about zombies on this site is a fallacy. Just post in accordance with the original post or move along.

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Pyratt Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 19:11
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right, and watch out for the zombie laser butt beams

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grimreaper013 Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 20:24
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Bloody hell, finaly! I've been saying that for a year now, and only now does somebody acknowledge's it...

The one word that describes how i live: B.E.B.Z
(Bullets, Explosions, Babes, Zombies)

Oh, yeah, you heard me! THE MUPPET SHOW SAID SO!!!

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the_zombie_furnace Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 20:26
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Just doing my part to irradicate unnessecary and annoying sub-posts that offer no contribution at all.

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nick47 Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 21:32
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I think that part of your post is false. We have seen over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again what happens when someone dies. THEY STAY DEAD. This is why I think that the only type of zombie that could possibly be created in our lifetime is the 28 day later type.

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the_zombie_furnace Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 22:13
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You are missing the point entirely. There is nothing in my arguement at all that makes any point about how zombies are going to happen. Just read it over again, and realize that I meant that your opinion is just as wrong as everyone else's. There is no more plausibility to your statements as to anybody elses'. No amount of science can predict how a zombie breakout could happen, or what a zombie would look like. Seeing as all we know about zombies is what we envision them as, or even rationalize them as, we cannot just go ahead and say what a real-life zombie is. We have no supporting evidence, only reason and speculation, which is not concrete.

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the_zombie_furnace Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 22:30
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nick47 wrote:
We have seen over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again what happens when someone dies. THEY STAY DEAD.

By "someone", would you happen to mean a normal human being when no possibility of becoming a zombie is possible? You are talking about what happens when a human dies, only when there are deffinately no zombies. Everything about mortality is subject to change when zombies are at large.

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nick47 Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 22:54
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You said that I have no proof but that is not true. I can show you billions of cases where people die and stay dead. Can you show me any cases where someone dies and returns as a zombie to infect other people? There is proof to support that people die and stay dead, there is proof to support that people go insane. Is there any proof that the dead will rise and infect other living people? This is the zombie preparedness initiative, to prepare for the possibility of a zombie outbreak we have to know what we are preparing for. So yes we will always be arguing about what a zombie is and how they could be created and what their atributes will be. But you should always try and support your ideas with info and research. Some guesswork will always have to be done before a zobmbie outbreak happens, but it should be educated guesswork. Not random ideas that come into your head that are popular in movies.

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Why would the laws of mortality change? When someone dies they stop breathing. When someone stops breathing the flow of oxygen to their brain stops. When the oxygen to their brain stops it damages the brain. When the brain is damaged it can no longer function. When the brain can no longer function then it cannot controle the the body. If the brain can not controle the body then the body can't open the mouth. When the mouth can't open it can't bite. When the mouth can't bite it can't bit YOU!

Do I even need to go into what happens when the body does not recieve proper amounts of food, water, ect.

Dictionary.com defines death as 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

A vital funtion of the human organism is breathing. So if someones hart stops and then they are revived then they did not die. Because their hart did not stop permanantly.

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the_zombie_furnace Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 23:04
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nick47 wrote:
You said that I have no proof but that is not true.
Yes it is. I'll show you how.

nick47 wrote:
I can show you billions of cases where people die and stay dead.
So can I. So can everybody else. It is a human being that is not under the influence of a possible zombie outbreak.
nick47 wrote:
Can you show me any cases where someone dies and returns as a zombie to infect other people?
No, but can you show me any cases where thousands of people go crazy from a blood-transmitted disease? Didn't think so.

nick47 wrote:
There is proof to support that people die and stay dead, there is proof to support that people go insane.
You're right. But you're STILL only talking about humans.

nick47 wrote:
Is there any proof that the dead will rise and infect other living people?
No, nor am I arguing for this conclusion. I am arguing that your conclusion isn't the most likely. None is. It is all speculation and nobody can be right.

nick47 wrote:
This is the zombie preparedness initiative, to prepare for the possibility of a zombie outbreak we have to know what we are preparing for.
We do, to a certain extent. We know we're dealing with zombies. Do we know what zombies deffinately are? Not at all, nor will we, until zombies show up on our doorstep.

nick47 wrote:
So yes we will always be arguing about what a zombie is and how they could be created and what their atributes will be. But you should always try and support your ideas with info and research.
But there is no information TO research about zombies, only about normal human beings, which is why you can only speculate as to what a zombie really is.

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Some guesswork will ALWAYS have to be done before a zobmbie outbreak happens,
Thank you for supporting my point. Guesswork will always have to be done, which is exactly why nobody can present their own research as pure fact.

nick47 wrote:
but it should be educated guesswork.
One very true thing you said. All guesswork should be as educated as possible, so that other may be able to understand and use their own reasoning.

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Not random ideas that come into your head that are popular in movies.
Hmmm... somehwere in your post you said something about "28 Days Later" being the most plausible, and yet I'm pretty sure that movie fits the description of "popular." Good job contradicting yourself.

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Why would the laws of mortality change?

Couldn't tell you, but could you tell me why they wouldn't? Neither of us can answer either of these questions, because we have never seen a zombie or the effects on mortality a zombie scenario may cause. Even so, the laws of mortality most deffinately are SUBJECT to change, which does not necessarally mean that they will indeed change.

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Chilbert Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 23:33
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So basically you are saying: "Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and they all stink."

"They drew first blood not me..." (Stallone in Rambo: First Blood)

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the_zombie_furnace Posted: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 23:50
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Hahaha, even though I like that saying a lot, it's not exactly what I mean. The point I'm trying to get across is, you can't just mark someone else's opinions about a zombie or speculations as worse than your own or most of all, a fallacy, because nothing about zombies is a proven fact and therefore everything is speculation. To sum it all up,

"Zombie opinions are like spastic maniacs weilding tonged eating utensils, nobody knows what the fork is going on."

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