its past my bedtime, but this topic jumped into my head all of a sudden... who prepairs for post apocalyptic survival? hostile parties like neo-fashists and other lunatics... im doubtful that they'd see need to share weapons and supplies with us, as i am doubtful a few rifles rival smg's and assault rifles in urban warfare. you'd stand a chance but a small one. those ppl practice like guerillas. so i propose we add methods of conquering hostile resistance from these ppl
if youre skeptical, remember: 12 000 ppl die a year in the states from crime, and i'd wager a good deal of the criminals will be fair equipped to survive zday. they may not have compasses and solar panels, but they got weapons and experience. so lets have some ideas...
one: high power lamps. same idea as the watchtowers in jails, blind while you (or an ally) shoot. i saw a 10 000 000 candella rechargeabe searchlight, and best of all its handheld. shine it at their eyes and pop em while they scramble. also, high wattage lamps may be placed in the lobby of a building, in front of an ambush
*side note, night vision and infrared headgear is a plus against both raiders and the undead
two:heavy stopping power weapons. this again is obious but i feel it must be mentioned for the obious reason of: its ok, waste some big bullets, you get to take their guns after all... examples can include FMJ HEAT and HE rounds to work anti-armor, anything .50 cal is a joke... out of the homemade, a propane tank or a pipebomb with ball bearings is a welcome surprise. my crossbow-grenade launcher works well too
three:poisons... this may seem a little evil for us, but...  (i dont know houw about you but im not cooperating with some sort of... neo-nazi guerillas. even if they seem neutral. i dont trust those ppl) or even if these people take over your stronghold (pointing back to the oilrig idea, pirates). how do you do them away with ease?
-methanol, 30ml will kill anyone. tastes identical to alc. mix with beer or wiskey and BAM 5 hrs later you go blind. and then you die.
-deathhead (spelling?) mushroom. little, brown, 10-15 cm grows in semi-groups. the unique aspect that tells it apart from the edible ones is the ring of skin-like at the stem, or the same film covering the spores, in immature species. has a VERY good taste, and one very powerful neurotoxin. kills in around 12 hrs, has antidotes but theyre hard to reach
-botulism bacilli... if you got a can of rotten coserved meat, put spices on it and feed it to your foes. kills in 3/4 a day, has a cure but by the time you realise its not stomach flu, youre fucked
-fugu. jsut butcher a pufferfish, it has the world's strongest neurotoxin, 1800x as effective as cyanide. its in the liver, intestines and skin. kills in (a day?). even 2 spoonfulls may be lethal if prepaired wrong
-drug overdose... got LSD stickers? drop 20 into a drink, the person will flip. same for sleeping pills, opioids and similar prescribtion medication. most are undetectable in alcoholic beverages (hence the term spike the drink and how common it is. pills dont bubble in glasses) and plz dont use tylenol, thats embarassing, thats for suicidal teenagers not killing hardened criminals sleeping on your couch
four: gases. an open propane tank is a nice surprise, if youre on the second or third floor and they enter ground level. jsut drop a match... another option is carbon monoxide. convince people that you are leaving a gas grill for heat indoors and close down all gaps. monoxide will fill up overnight to a lethal dose. candles work too...
ok were ready for opinions now...
remember, i dont promote killing off other survivors, im just reminding you that a fair deal of survivors may exibit their worst qualities in a position of power ...cheerio and goodnight
EDIT: Changed Topic Name From Hostlie To Hostile - NIE
war's my game
destruction by no other name |
ok i just seemed a tad hypocritical here, so let me clarify my "policy" about allies: i will work together with any religion or politic affiliation thats not based on hate or mistrust of others. my loyalty is hard to get but its almost irrevocable. so im not all :twisted:
war's my game
destruction by no other name
I agree with bolth statements and I go after neo nazis and white power skins already (ever get into a gunfight? I have and its not fun at all) im a SHARP http://droplegs.tripod.com/SHARP.html and i can almost guerentee that quite a few of us will carry through z-day and we will be hunting zombies AND nazis.
Will you hold me back? If need be I will leave you behind...
I have to disagree here, the only benefits to military/LEO firearms over civilian pattern ones is the volume of fire they are capable of putting downrange and the commonality of the ammunition types.
Post zday anyone "spraying and praying" with their rifle/SMG is gonna find themselves out of ammunition in short order, so it's likely that those FA firearms are either gonna be restricting themselves to semi-auto fire, or removing themselves from the equation early into the festivities (sorta fire discipline darwinism if you will).
While I would prefer my M14 or AR15 come the day, I'd have no issue with taking my WWII SMLE, and in fact it'd likely force me to make my shots count, instead of relying on volume (quality vs. quantity).
I'm pretty much in agreement with you for the rest, it is important to point out the significant personal risk involved in the tactics described however.
Disagreement. It won't be just the neo-nazis and fascists etc. that stockpile weapons and refuse to give them out to everyone. Think about it, you're under attack from all sides by an undead enemy. How many weapons would you be able to give away anyways? Would you really want to toss away all your defences to help save someone who will probably have something anyway to have survived this far? The question isn't just 'will they be completely unwilling to share?', but also 'what reason would they have to share?'
Bury deep, pile on the stones
Yet I will, dig up the bones
I'm not from the city, but If people came messin around my part of town before zday, they'd find themselves shot with an old Remington sharpshooter, but afterwards when all those nice people are dead, and trying to get you to conform, my only advice would be to try to get your own people together, not necessarily safety in numbers, but it couldn't hurt to have them stupid Nazi's afraid of hollow-points and such. Maybe if it came down to it you could get a pincer attack, but with zombies still around it would be pretty risky. I reckon Whoever knows how to fight should teach everyone else to fight, until everyone knows what everyone else knows.
Some people wrestle with their personal demons.
I stabbed mine in the back of the head.
...He was a bleeder.
I guess I see your point, though I disagree with how you are responding to it. I am more about non-violence and isolationism than strength of arms.
All that needs to be said is this: FIRE = BAD
If you fail to plan, plan to fail
very true, have you guys ever seen The new BattleStar Galactica series, when the sh** hits the fan(sry) you have to keep the human race going, whether it be a plaque or zombies.
Currently working on a little something. Alls I can say is I hope I don't find anyone's naked abused corpse in a ditch somewhere with a single gun shot wound to the back of the head thinking they could reason with animals.